The Half Ashed Cigar Forum

Is there ever going to be a compromise with the FDA warning labels on boxes? There has to be. Look at any craft beer and see how beautiful that art is. And every beer has a surgeon generals warning on the label, just off to the side. If the top of a cigar box is free to be artistic, I wouldn't mind that 1 whole side was a warning. Thoughts?

Pfffft, you're dreaming. Good luck, as the rest of the world is your example. Welcome to the world of no rights.

Ian, I'm completely with you but we're fighting a losing battle. Doesn't this sort of a thing already exist in sticker form on the backs of some boxes stating "This product contains chemicals that, in the State of California, have been proven yadiyadiyada..."
If that wasn't satisfying enough, I doubt simplifying the nasty photos and monochromatic photo thought will subside. I mean, realistically would you look at the label of a beer first to see if you should be consumign it? I don't blame them if they think it's a losing strategy to consumer awareness.
Regardless, I'd love a sticker or "belt" if you may with a logo or sign over the box of cigars. Somethign that was completely visible but could be removed prior to consumption.

kurtdesign1 wrote:Ian, I'm completely with you but we're fighting a losing battle. Doesn't this sort of a thing already exist in sticker form on the backs of some boxes stating "This product contains chemicals that, in the State of California, have been proven yadiyadiyada..."
If that wasn't satisfying enough, I doubt simplifying the nasty photos and monochromatic photo thought will subside. I mean, realistically would you look at the label of a beer first to see if you should be consumign it? I don't blame them if they think it's a losing strategy to consumer awareness.
Regardless, I'd love a sticker or "belt" if you may with a logo or sign over the box of cigars. Somethign that was completely visible but could be removed prior to consumption.

The "answer" is for the industry to have a secondary lid underneath the top one. They can put all the warning labels on the upper lid, which can be removed by the consumer, revealing the artistic/collectible box cover.

Stewmuse wrote:

kurtdesign1 wrote:Ian, I'm completely with you but we're fighting a losing battle. Doesn't this sort of a thing already exist in sticker form on the backs of some boxes stating "This product contains chemicals that, in the State of California, have been proven yadiyadiyada..."
If that wasn't satisfying enough, I doubt simplifying the nasty photos and monochromatic photo thought will subside. I mean, realistically would you look at the label of a beer first to see if you should be consumign it? I don't blame them if they think it's a losing strategy to consumer awareness.
Regardless, I'd love a sticker or "belt" if you may with a logo or sign over the box of cigars. Somethign that was completely visible but could be removed prior to consumption.

The "answer" is for the industry to have a secondary lid underneath the top one. They can put all the warning labels on the upper lid, which can be removed by the consumer, revealing the artistic/collectible box cover.

Mike, I like that idea a lot!

Stewmuse wrote:

kurtdesign1 wrote:Ian, I'm completely with you but we're fighting a losing battle. Doesn't this sort of a thing already exist in sticker form on the backs of some boxes stating "This product contains chemicals that, in the State of California, have been proven yadiyadiyada..."
If that wasn't satisfying enough, I doubt simplifying the nasty photos and monochromatic photo thought will subside. I mean, realistically would you look at the label of a beer first to see if you should be consumign it? I don't blame them if they think it's a losing strategy to consumer awareness.
Regardless, I'd love a sticker or "belt" if you may with a logo or sign over the box of cigars. Somethign that was completely visible but could be removed prior to consumption.

The "answer" is for the industry to have a secondary lid underneath the top one. They can put all the warning labels on the upper lid, which can be removed by the consumer, revealing the artistic/collectible box cover.

I'd actually see it as the reverse. Make your outer box display and the inner have a non removable cardboard/plastic tongue that covers part of the cigars. Box art is intact, boxes are beautiful when closed but when you want to take a cigar out they're half covered by a warning. It is only paper/cardboard so it can be cut out if you're the owner but it can also be left in for retail. I'd like your thought Mike if I wasn't thinkign that the FDA probably wouldnt' like being cast aside that easily. An outer box can easily be discarded. Making a law that this needs to be displayed would give them pause on an outer disposable box/packaging, I'd think.

kurtdesign1 wrote:

Stewmuse wrote:

kurtdesign1 wrote:Ian, I'm completely with you but we're fighting a losing battle. Doesn't this sort of a thing already exist in sticker form on the backs of some boxes stating "This product contains chemicals that, in the State of California, have been proven yadiyadiyada..."
If that wasn't satisfying enough, I doubt simplifying the nasty photos and monochromatic photo thought will subside. I mean, realistically would you look at the label of a beer first to see if you should be consumign it? I don't blame them if they think it's a losing strategy to consumer awareness.
Regardless, I'd love a sticker or "belt" if you may with a logo or sign over the box of cigars. Somethign that was completely visible but could be removed prior to consumption.

The "answer" is for the industry to have a secondary lid underneath the top one. They can put all the warning labels on the upper lid, which can be removed by the consumer, revealing the artistic/collectible box cover.

I'd actually see it as the reverse. Make your outer box display and the inner have a non removable cardboard/plastic tongue that covers part of the cigars. Box art is intact, boxes are beautiful when closed but when you want to take a cigar out they're half covered by a warning. It is only paper/cardboard so it can be cut out if you're the owner but it can also be left in for retail. I'd like your thought Mike if I wasn't thinkign that the FDA probably wouldnt' like being cast aside that easily. An outer box can easily be discarded. Making a law that this needs to be displayed would give them pause on an outer disposable box/packaging, I'd think.

Tomato, tomahto....

The rule requires a 30% cover of the "major" surfaces - both inside and outside. Yep...the lovely Fuente interior art will have to be obscured.

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Right. Couldn't you make the case that the cigars are the major part? Hence my reason for a tongue or collar over portions of them?

I'll have to dig it up, but my recollection is that the language was unusually specific.

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